RICHARD W. SYMONDS (RWS) - INDEPENDENT ANALYST

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Let's just suppose (conjecture & hypothesize) there is a MEGA INSTINCT (The Spirit?) within all of us, made up of our Language Instinct (The Mind?), our Moral Instinct (The Soul?) and our Motivation Instinct (The Body?).

The Mega Instinct is the essence of who we are - the Qualia/the You/The Me - the 'elan vital'/the heart of who we are/the spirit...

Chomsky & Pinker deal with the Language Instinct. Hauser deals with the Moral Instinct. MacDougall & Maslow deal with the Motivation Instinct.

But how about dealing with the Mega Instinct which combines all three - the three-in-one - the trinity ?

Mega Language ?
Mega Morals ?
Mega Motivations ?
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THE MEGA INSTINCT ?

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Michael Post subject: Re: "THE ROTHSCHILD NEW WORLD ORDER SCAM" THEORY OF BANKINGPosted: 2009-08-02, 10:34:12 pm



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ROTHSCHILD - HITLER - HESS - ENGLAND - RUSSIA - ILLUMINATI

http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2009 ... ust-1.html


Can't help feeling that the world would today be a better place if we had taken up Hitler's offer and destroyed Jewish/Zionist communism. No Apartheid State, no USA world domination
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: "THE ROTHSCHILD NEW WORLD ORDER SCAM" THEORY OF BANKINGPosted: 2009-08-02, 11:07:41 pm



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and Freemasonry
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As I see it, both Nazi Fascism & Zionist Communism were intent on world domination - and Masonic Zionism was a threat to Hitler...so he exterminated them both - along with others.

Hitler lost, so the world-dominators became Masonic Zionists.

Fascism & Zionism - like Capitalism & Communism - become totalitarian tyrannies - and all such extreme idealogies must be fought against - by Democracy.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: "THE ROTHSCHILD NEW WORLD ORDER SCAM" THEORY OF BANKINGPosted: 2009-08-06, 11:03:40 pm



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Richard W. Post subject: Re: "THE ROTHSCHILD NEW WORLD ORDER SCAM" THEORY OF BANKINGPosted: 2009-08-07, 10:36:35 am



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Richard W. Post subject: Re: "THE ROTHSCHILD NEW WORLD ORDER SCAM" THEORY OF BANKINGPosted: 2009-08-08, 04:02:09 pm



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Michael Post subject: Re: "MASTER PUPPETEERS" BANK LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANKS..Posted: 2009-03-11, 11:42:42 pm



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Secrets of the Federal Reserve
The history, organization and controlling interests behind the Federal Reserve
-- by Eustace Mullins, 1983 source: Whale.to

Chapter 1: Jekyll Island
Paul Warburg and the Jekyll Island conference of 1910 http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh01

Chapter 2: The Aldrich Plan
The bankers lobby for the Aldrich bill to establish a new central bank http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh02

Chapter 3: The Federal Reserve Act
Wilson is elected President and the Federal Reserve Act is passed (1912-14) http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh03

Chapter 4: The Federal Advisory Council
The bankers control the membership of the regional oversight board
http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh04

Chapter 5: The House of Rothschild
The Rothschild family dominates the banking of London and Europe http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh05

Chapter 6: The London Connection
The banks that own the Fed are controlled from London http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh06

Chapter 7: The Hitler Connection
J.H. Schroder Bank and the financing of Adolf Hitler http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh07

Chapter 8: World War One
Kuhn, Loeb Company and the management of the Great War http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh08

Chapter 9: The Agricultural Depression
Looting of the rural banks and the independent farmers (1920-21) http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh09

Chapter 10: The Money Creators
Control of the money supply, trade credit, and interest rates http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh10

Chapter 11: Lord Montagu Norman
The Bank of England, gold transfers, and the Roaring 20s http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh11

Chapter 12: The Great Depression
The Fed pops the speculative bubble and the insiders profit http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh12

Chapter 13: The 1930s
The Fed during the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh13

Chapter 14: Congressional Expose
Charting the banking and business connections of the Fed directors http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp ... ecretsCh14





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admin Post subject: Re: THE GREAT BANK ROBBERY - LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANKSPosted: 2009-08-07, 08:09:20 am



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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE GREAT BANK ROBBERY - LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANKSPosted: 2009-08-07, 08:27:37 am



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Posts: 4373 BBC Breakfast TV News - the public broadcaster - this morning was an insult to the intelligence of any 'aware' viewer.

Education. Education. Education ?

No

Indoctrination. Indoctrination. Indoctrination..

It's almost embarrassing to watch - but very enlightening when it comes to asking certain unpalatable questions.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE GREAT BANK ROBBERY - LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANKSPosted: 2009-08-07, 08:49:51 am



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Posts: 4373 At least Chomsky brings some moral sanity into this morally insane world of 'media news' :

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=500&start=190

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=145&start=110

And particularly :

http://cabaretic.blogspot.com/2009/08/q ... -week.html

We seem to be living in some kind of 'Propaganda Machine Bubble', which manufactures an illusion of reality, not unlike "The Matrix" :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix

I can't help feeling that every time we switch on the TV - or open our newspapers - we are voluntarily plugging into the Matrix of Propaganda & Illusion...





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: NOAM CHOMSKY - "THE GALILEO OF POLITICS, LANGUAGE & TRUTH"Posted: 2009-08-02, 12:55:52 am



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Richard W. Post subject: Re: NOAM CHOMSKY - "THE GALILEO OF POLITICS, LANGUAGE & TRUTH"Posted: 2009-08-02, 01:02:58 am



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“Propaganda is to a democracy. what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state.” Avram Noam Chomsky.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: NOAM CHOMSKY - "THE GALILEO OF POLITICS, LANGUAGE & TRUTH"Posted: 2009-08-02, 01:11:21 am



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" 'Freedom from' also has a psychological dimension : Freedom from having to participate in the world's 'aspirational consumerism' " (Noam Chomsky).





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: NOAM CHOMSKY - "THE GALILEO OF POLITICS, LANGUAGE & TRUTH"Posted: 2009-08-02, 10:10:08 am



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Richard W. Post subject: Re: NOAM CHOMSKY - "THE GALILEO OF POLITICS, LANGUAGE & TRUTH"Posted: 2009-08-02, 10:24:35 am



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Richard W. Post subject: Re: NOAM CHOMSKY - "THE GALILEO OF TRUTH, LANGUAGE & POLITICS"Posted: 2009-08-02, 08:30:07 pm



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Remember that the media have two basic functions. One is to indoctrinate the elites, to make sure they have the right ideas and know how to serve power. In fact, typically the elites are the most indoctrinated segment of a society, because they are the ones who are exposed to the most propaganda and actually take part in the decision-making process. For them you have the New York Times, and the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal, and so on. But there’s also a mass media, whose main function is just to get rid of the rest of the population -- to marginalize and eliminate them, so they don’t interfere with decision-making. And the press that’s designed for that purpose isn’t the New York Times and the Washington Post, it’s sitcoms on television, and the National Enquirer, and sex and violence, and babies with three heads, and football, all that kind of stuff.- Noam Chomsky





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-02, 10:12:31 pm



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Posts: 4373 Can't resist quoting this (found whilst preparing for my 5-minute stint last Saturday :


"The development should protect and, where possible, enhance the setting of Ifield Village Conservation Area, and avoid areas of flood risk and aircraft noise contours..."

(Source : Horsham District Local Development Framework Submission Draft (undated) - The Core Strategy - Chapter 4 : Spatial Strategy and Core Policies - Policy CP 6 - Strategic Location - West of Crawley - Page 59 & 60)


Quite how or why Horsham District Council are making pronouncements on land - Ifield Brook Meadows/Conservation Area - which is that of Crawley Borough Council, I don't quite understand....but it goes to show that "West of Crawley" includes Ifield Brook Meadows, from the Councils' point of view (ie WSCC/HDC/CBC)





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34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-02, 11:42:52 pm



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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village JohnL wrote:
Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?

I was at the meeting on Friday evening and the committee members from IVCAAC who spoke gave out lots of new information that has not been reported here, regarding the environment agency bore holes, the proposed flood relief scheme and a summary of their meeting with the representative from HCA. They also handed out copies of their correspondence with the HCA and promised to keep everybody informed of any new developments.

Perhaps it would be a good idea if that 'new information' was posted on this forum so that those who were/are unable to attend such meetings could be kept informed.

I would be particularly interested in any proposed flood relief schemes which relate to the Meadow.





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34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-03, 09:40:28 am



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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village JohnL wrote:
:ugeek: You've left out the most powerful and dangerous weapons in their armoury Richard W., SECRECY and SILENCE, both of which it seems are now being used by HDC, CBC, the HCA and IVCAAC.


JohnL wrote:
Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?

To avoid any accusations of 'secrecy', Could someone please inform the forum of the following:

1) Who and What is the Ifield Village Conservation Area Advisory Committee (IVCAAC) ?
2) Who are the committee members of this organisation?
3) What are their aims and constitution?
4) How are they funded?
5) Who do they report to?
6) Under what authority do they act?





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JohnL Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-03, 11:24:02 am



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Location: Ifield 34&rising wrote:
JohnL wrote:
:ugeek: You've left out the most powerful and dangerous weapons in their armoury Richard W., SECRECY and SILENCE, both of which it seems are now being used by HDC, CBC, the HCA and IVCAAC.


JohnL wrote:
Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?

To avoid any accusations of 'secrecy', Could someone please inform the forum of the following:

1) Who and What is the Ifield Village Conservation Area Advisory Committee (IVCAAC) ?
2) Who are the committee members of this organisation?
3) What are their aims and constitution?
4) How are they funded?
5) Who do they report to?
6) Under what authority do they act?

As I say, I'm a newcomer, but I found this statement from IVCAAC, by running a web search

http://www.crawley.gov.uk/stellent/groups/public/documents/otherdocs/int106912.pdf

Jenny Frost, IVCAAC's secretary, chaired Friday's meeting and seemed very pleasant and approachable when I spoke to her afterwards. I am sure Richard has her contact details, if you want to send her your questions directly





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-03, 11:38:59 am



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admin Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-05, 08:42:45 am



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Posts: 65 Richard W. has again asked us to post a comment of his - as he is unable to post in particular "categories" - such as this one. We are happy to do this - and if anyone else is experiencing the same kind of problems, we would be happy to post any comment by them also.

IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND BEYOND - BELIEF
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=930&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=952

NO news coverage of last Friday's full Meeting at St Margaret's Church - either by Crawley Observer or Crawley News ((Wednesday August 5)

This is beyond belief - laughable as well as disturbing - it's as though this critically-important event never happened.

There seems to be no better example of Herman & Chomsky's Five-Filter Propaganda Model in practice :
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=145&start=0

To my mind, it's not the editors or reporters who are at fault here.

It's the people who CONTROL news & information - what is admitted & what is omitted -who are the greatest threats to truth-seeking & our democratic freedoms.

It's as though a 'propaganda veil' gets pulled over our eyes, to blind us to the truth of what is really going on.

I am reminded of the words of John Milton in 1642 :

"THEY WHO HAVE PUT OUT THE PEOPLES EYES
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admin Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-05, 11:28:08 pm



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Posts: 65 Richard W. has again asked us to post this - an email he has received from "K" :

Richard

I don't have all the answers but a bit of info I do know.

The Environment Agency (EA) need/want to help reduce long-term flood risk for Gatwick and upper Mole valley.

They will be going ahead with a scheme to temp drain Tilgate lake and increase the height of the dam (soil not concrete)
The core of the dam needs to be impervious clay, the soil around Tilgate is not suitable for this
They are investigating trucking clay in, maybe from Ifield area.

The EA maybe making a new flood pond on Ifield Brook too.

K


Thanks for that

If the Ifield pond is constructed by EA, would this have the affect of 'deleting' the Flood Plain in Ifield Brook Meadows - thus opening it up for development ?

Richard


I would say potentially yes

Down stream of any flood pond with a restricted outflow would be much less liable to flooding, so this should be of concern to us!

Here is a pdf of the draft Tilgate plans

K


So, do we now have 7 major players in relation to Ifield Brook Meadows & Beyond ?

1. Homes & Communities Agency (formerly English Partnerships)(Government Quango)
2. Welbeck-DeWalden Consortium (which includes Welbeck Land, Waites, Rydon, Persimmon(?)
3. Ifield Golf Club
4. Local Councils' (WSCC/HDC/CBC)
5. Government Environment Agency (& Thames Water/MacQuarie ?)
6. Corporate/State Media (eg Crawley Observer/Times/News & BBC, Local Radio & TV)
AND
7(a). The 'Aware &/or Care Community (b) The 'Unaware &/or Don't Care' Community

As I see it, at the moment, the only people who appear to be openly (& actively) supporting the protection of Ifield Brook Meadows is a handful of Local Councillors (CBC & WSCC), certain members of IVCAAC, The Ifield Society - and, of course, those individuals who have completed (are completing) the Public Way Evidence Forms.

That ain't enough to protect Ifield Brook Meadows & Beyond, methinks.

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34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 08:18:33 pm



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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village Lindyloo wrote:
Hi I have some photographs of Ifield during the floods which I took in 1997 which could prove the 'Consortium' that building on Ifield Meadows would be disasterous for the buyers. I will bring them down to the meeting on Friday 31st July.

The problem with focusing on the flood issue, is that it is simply an 'engineering' problem. That is to say, if a developer felt they could make money from building on the meadow, then they would find a way to overcome any problems associated with possible flooding.

If they can build a new neighbourhood on a contaminated, dangerous and unstable landfill site, then I'm sure a little matter of 'drainage' wouldn't be difficult to overcome!





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-29, 10:51:20 am



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Posts: 4373 The meeting was also attended by Michael Hodgson (MH) who is a Conservative County Councillor and now Deputy Leader of WSCC (and so, apparently, 'above politics'!), who was reporting back on various issues and he gave the benefit of his wisdom on a couple of matters which I raised...
MH (who until recently was on the Rights of Way Committee) seemed more in sympathy with landowners than walkers when he opined that it was important for landowners to be prepared to prosecute walkers if they wandered away from public footpaths - otherwise walkers could attempt to persuade the Rights of Way Committee to legalise access after 20 years. I must say from his tone it didn't sound as if the Rights of Way Committee is likely to be sympathetic !!
G

OK, so the WSCC Deputy Leader, Cllr Michael Hodgson, says this (above), and the WSCC Leader, Cllr Henry Smith, says this (below) ?

Ummmmmmmmm....





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD AND BEYOND - RESPONSE TO QUANGO SIGNS - THIS FRIDAYPosted: 2009-07-29, 10:57:19 pm



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Posts: 4373 I would be grateful if you could express my deep concern at the Homes & Commmunities Agency apparently seeking to deny public access over paths crossing the areas they are responsible for.

Henry Smith, Leader of West Sussex County Council


May I suggest the WSCC Leader & Deputy Leader had a little chat together...and then it would be appreciated if they could notify their taxpaying 'bankrollers' (us) exactly where the WSCC stands on this issue.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-29, 11:28:42 pm



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Posts: 4373 Cllr Hodgson, WSCC Deputy Leader, is seriously misinformed on this issue - and should address his own arrogant ignorance of what democracy is all about, as soon as possible...for everybody's sake :

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=886&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=70
As I see it at the moment, there is a very simple way of immediately helping to protect this ancient area - and I encourage anyone who can do this to do it :
Phone the "Rights of Way" Dept at Chichester's County Hall (West Sussex County Council) - 01243 777579 - and say that people have been walking on this area for over 20 years - 50 years in some cases - and so you want any "unrecorded paths" legally recorded, under Section 53 of the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981.

Clearly Cllr Hodgson (former Rights of Way Committee Member) knows more about Stalkers & The Protection from Harassment Act 1997, than Walkers & The Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=622&start=20

May I also suggest he takes a visit to Ifield Brook Meadows (not on expenses) to see for himself what dangerous nonsense he has in his party-political head- especially as WSCC Deputy Leader.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-31, 11:22:53 pm



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Posts: 4373 The outcome of tonight's meeting at St Margaret's is that people have voted to 'put things on hold', while negotiations with HCA are in hand. There will be another meeting called in the first two weeks of September to consider the HCA response and decide what the next step is.

In the meantime there will be an opportunity to collect in footpath forms and check them. Members of IVCAAC have volunteered to help with the checking. They will then be ready, if it is deemed prudent to go down that route.

I had a 'strong, long (but not nasty) discussion' with a couple on my way home - accusing me of scare-mongering (St Margaret's could become like Horsham's St Mark's), and rudeness (towards Cllr John Denman & others).

If I came across that way - it wasn't meant - just trying to wake people up & raise awareness of the development threat. Even so, if WSCC's Cllr Hodgson was present I might well have been very rude...

The outcome of the meeting was fine - but I am still left with an uneasy feeling we are under-estimating what we are up against. This 'Landowner/Developer Consortium' is extremely powerful, and we had them 'on the ropes', but I fear we may be 'letting them off the hook' by delaying certain actions...which might allow them to re-group, 'divide & rule' etc.

I was much encouraged by the numbers - far more than anticipated. Well over 50 people at a guess.

Can't see that number coming to the Ramblette tomorrow morning - but you never can tell !





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-08-01, 04:52:11 pm



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Posts: 4373 The Ramblette took place this morning - numbers down to 7 of us - in contrast to the previous evening.

A few regulars were missing - let's hope they are OK.

Two 'camps' seem to be emerging :

Camp 1 - Those who are 100% CERTAIN Ifield Brook Meadows will NOT be built on...some of whom are very unhappy with certain people in Camp 2 for 'scaremongering' etc

Camp 2 - Those who are LESS THAN 100% certain....some of whom consider some of those in Camp 1 to be naively living in cloud cuckoo-land.

The majority appear to be in Camp 1

The minority appear to be in Camp 2.

I am firmly in Camp 2, especially when I strongly expressed a view at the meeting - on the basis of 10 years campaigning evidence - that Ifield Brook Meadows would definitely be developed, unless we ourselves (individually & collectively) did enough to prevent it from happening...and we couldn't rely on certain Councillors & an MP - alone - to prevent it from happening.

This has not made me very popular at all - especially with those in Camp 1 - who are accusing me of 'scaremongering' and being rude to certain Councillors & an MP.

My fear is that the 'controlling powers-that-be will attempt to regain full control by a tactic of 'divide & rule'.- such as setting one Camp against the other by rumour-spreading, character-slurs, false accusations, blame etc.

I would like to be in Camp 1 - but after 10 years campaigning on this issue - and finding myself extremely distrustful of the 'controlling powers-that-be' - I find myself in Camp 2.

The one thing these very powerful people fear most is that the opposition will grow into one collective powerful voice on a common platform.

I call it 'DEMOCRACY' which should be encouraged at all costs. 'They' would probably call it an "EXCESS OF DEMOCRACY" which should be controlled at all costs - or an 'EXCESS OF FREEDOM"....like an "EXCESS OF HAPPINESS"

Personally, I fear we are up against a 'Consortium of Bullies & Hangers-On' who are determined to get what they want, by any means at their disposal.





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34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-08-02, 10:46:42 am



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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village Richard W. wrote:
My fear is that the 'controlling powers-that-be will attempt to regain full control by a tactic of 'divide & rule'.- such as setting one Camp against the other by rumour-spreading, character-slurs, false accusations, blame etc.

You've left out the most powerful and dangerous weapons in their armoury Richard W., SECRECY and SILENCE, both of which it seems are now being used by HDC, CBC, the HCA and IVCAAC.





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JohnL Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-08-02, 05:06:49 pm



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Location: Ifield 34&rising wrote:
Richard W. wrote:
My fear is that the 'controlling powers-that-be will attempt to regain full control by a tactic of 'divide & rule'.- such as setting one Camp against the other by rumour-spreading, character-slurs, false accusations, blame etc.

You've left out the most powerful and dangerous weapons in their armoury Richard W., SECRECY and SILENCE, both of which it seems are now being used by HDC, CBC, the HCA and IVCAAC.

Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?

I was at the meeting on Friday evening and the committee members from IVCAAC who spoke gave out lots of new information that has not been reported here, regarding the environment agency bore holes, the proposed flood relief scheme and a summary of their meeting with the representative from HCA. They also handed out copies of their correspondence with the HCA and promised to keep everybody informed of any new developments.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-08-02, 08:03:37 pm



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Posts: 4373 Yes I agree with you, JohnL, IVCAAC should be subtracted. But I would add one 'big' one - Welbeck Land (who have the 'option' on Ifield Brook Meadows).

"The possible development of this area ("West of Ifield" - Ed) is being promoted by a consortium of landowners/developers" (Crawley Times, July 17 2009 - Page 8)

We know one of the main "developers" is Welbeck Land - THE main developer in fact.
http://www.welbeckland.co.uk/
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=906&start=10

But is HCA one of the main "landowners" in this Consortium ?

If somebody knows, they're not telling.

It's difficult not to draw that conclusion, as much of the area threatened is 'owned' by the 'Public Landowner' HCA (a Govt. Quango). We now know exactly how much land they 'own' (previously unknown), because that is conveniently 'pegged out' by their signs around Ifield Brook Meadows and the rest of the Parish towards Ifield Golf Club !

Methinks there will be much obfuscation, 'divide & rule', 'decoys', secrecy, silence - and disinformation/misinformation - from the 'controlling powers-that-be' - whom I suspect is this "consortium of landowners/developers" & their 'hangers-on'.


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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 12:53:37 pm



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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 01:51:57 pm



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Posts: 4373 Dear Mr Watson

Thank you for your reply - it is appreciated.

I look forward to hearing from Richard Thomas.


Yours sincerely


Richard Symonds
THE IFIELD SOCIETY





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 02:52:05 pm



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Thank you for your email. I understand my co-director, Alistair Watson, has responded already.



I am unable to make the meeting this Friday unfortunately but, whilst I recognise your previously held position in respect of the westward expansion of the built up area of Crawley, I would be happy to meet with you in the first instance to compare notes.



If you would like to do so, perhaps you would give me some suggested dates.



Regards



Richard Thomas

Director

richard.thomas@welbeckland.co.uk



Tel: 020 7529 3818





Welbeck Land Limited

13 Woodstock Street

London

W1C 2AG



http://www.welbeckland.co.uk




We have allocated a substantial proportion of our financial reserves to the promotion of Strategic Land and would be delighted to recognise introductions.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 03:08:22 pm



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Posts: 4373 Dear Richard (Thomas)

Many thanks for your email. As with Mr Watson's email, it is much appreciated.

I'm sorry Welbeck cannot be represented on Friday - it would have been valuable to those present as to your position on the 'West of Ifield'.

May I come back to you regarding arranging a date to "compare notes" - perhaps soon after the meeting this Friday.

Many thanks again.


Regards


Richard (Symonds)
THE IFIELD SOCIETY






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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 03:18:51 pm



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Posts: 4373 As we speak, HCA are building a new bridge at the entrance of Ifield Brook Meadows (South) - by the bridge which crosses Ifield Brook, at the back of the Church (Hat-Tip : Linda)

Interestingly, this bridge is being built at the start of an UNREGISTERED PATH (Permissive Path?) - at the Greenway route.


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34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 04:52:03 pm



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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village Is it a foot bridge or road bridge?





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 04:58:47 pm



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Posts: 4373 34&rising, the comedian, strikes again !

Many a true word....





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 05:42:45 pm



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Posts: 4373 CRAWLEY BOROUGH COUNCIL PLANNING

Thank you for your invite to the Ifield Brook Meadows meeting regarding the recently erected HCA signs.

On this occasion, it is considered that it is not appropriate for the Council to attend the meeting. This view is based on the fact that the Council continues to have dialogue with the HCA on this matter, in conjunction with IVCAAC, and are awaiting the outcome of this process. I understand...IVCAAC is intending to inform the meeting on Friday of this process.

Having consulted colleagues from Horsham District Council, they are also of the view that the Council should not attend the meeting until the outcome of the process outlined above is known.

If you have any queries regarding the above, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards


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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 06:16:49 pm



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Posts: 4373 HOMES & COMMUNITIES AGENCY

Thank you for your email referring to the westward expansion of Crawley and Welbeck Land Limited. I am sorry to advise you that I am not involved with any development proposals for Crawley so I would not be the right person to contact within HCA.

I would suggest that your contact within HCA would be either Abigail Raymond or Christopher Cain who both work within our Development Team at our Ashford office tel. 020 7881 1610.

Regards





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Lindyloo Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 06:31:56 pm



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Posts: 1 Hi I have some photographs of Ifield during the floods which I took in 1997 which could prove the 'Consortium' that building on Ifield Meadows would be disasterous for the buyers. I will bring them down to the meeting on Friday 31st July.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-25, 09:33:52 pm



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Posts: 4373 Just had a Rambette Meeting this morning - discussing next Friday's Meeting at the Church.

We thought it would be a good idea to 'record' the proceedings.

Do you know of anyone who could do this - for free ?


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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-25, 09:38:17 pm



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Posts: 4373 Unfortunately, I only have a very early and ancient video camera, otherwise I would offer to record the event.

In the absence of anything more professional, I can record up to an hour of video on my phone, but it can’t be put on a tripod and the sound is very ‘tinny’.

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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-25, 09:42:44 pm



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Posts: 4373 This Saturday afternoon, I once again noticed a series of what seemed to be gunshots out in the fields west of Aldingbourne Close. After I had heard about 6 within 20 minutes, I walked out in the direction of gunfire.....

This took me across the river and along the public footpath towards Pound Cottages for about 100 metres where I saw an empty van (GX04 BLV) with at least one gun case inside and boxes of cartridges. A couple of people who passed told me that there were two men near an oak tree on the field boundary going south. They had set up a 'decoy pigeon' which was supposed to attract other birds who would then be shot at.

I walked in their direction keeping on the east side away from their evident line of fire and following the machinery tracks through a wheat field. A man appeared who told me I should not be there and I explained I was there because of the regular weekend disturbance of people in Aldingbourne Close by the sound of gunfire. The guns were being fired about 100 metres away from a public footpath. He said that he was not Mr Cook, the farmer, but had his permission to use guns to 'scare away the pigeons' presumably from his wheat crop.

So I suppose the explanation is relatively reassuring but I wonder whether guns should be being used so close to a public footpath with or without the landowner/tenants permission and within earshot of a residential area. I also wonder whether it is only pigeons being shot at - skylarks are common in that area I believe. Is it legal to shoot at wildlife in this way?

I understand that there is a Rusper Parish Council meeting this Wednesday evening in Rusper Village Hall. Does any resident of that Parish Council area fancy bringing it up at the start of the meeting - as you are entitled I believe? Perhaps it would also be a good idea to raise the Homes and Communities Agency issue there as well to ensure that they are aware.

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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-25, 09:46:23 pm



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Posts: 4373 It seems a very effective tactic to scare the .... out of dogs, so their owners don't use the footpaths in the area, and go elsewhere.

Killing birds - what next ? Rabbits, Deer, Dogs ?

Is it legal ? I can't believe so - but something can be legally right and morally wrong.

This, to me, is morally wrong.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - FRIDAY THE 31ST AT 7PMPosted: 2009-07-25, 11:41:34 pm



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Posts: 4373 All the objectives you mention are worthy, but on 31 July I suggest the main objective should be towards registering the paths and helping people with queries regarding the forms.

The initiative has rightly been taken to hand out footpath user forms in the face of the challenge/assertion by Homes and Communities that paths don't exist or, if in some cases they do, by the express permission of H & C - which may be withdrawn at any time.

Presumably however the paths have been used by the public at least since the land acquisition by the New Towns Commission in the 1950s and possibly earlier.
If the public in general has used the paths for over twenty years without challenge (such as the notices we now have) this is the main criterion for confirmation of the paths as public rights of way.

The more people that complete forms the stronger the case for confirmation. If we can get as many of the paths registered as possible it will then consequently strengthen the case for the other objectives you list.

All parties in selecting the Browns/Bewbush site for development seem to have recognised the existing registered path network as an argument against selecting 'West of Ifield'.
More footpaths would strengthen that case for the future.

If we fail to make our claims now, H & C could invoke their threats at any time. If they don't, then the impetus will be lost; people will regard the notices as empty words and carry on as before, but the 20 year period will still pre-date the challenge - the date the notices were erected.

I haven't mentioned it before because this is not the area I deal with and I don't wish to step on other people's toes but as a volunteer footpath rep for the Ramblers Assn I was involved in a similar case elsewhere.

I have contacted the Ramblers reps for Rusper parish and Crawley BC but have so far had no reply, but perhaps they may appear at the meeting.

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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - FRIDAY THE 31ST AT 7PMPosted: 2009-07-25, 11:56:36 pm



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Posts: 4373 I am somewhat bemused, and amused. neither the Council(s) or HCA could confirm (to someone I know) Welbeck's involvement in purchasing Ifield Golf Club and surrounding areas. Here's part of my evidence :

1. "Wreaths laid for threatened golf course", Crawley Observer, August 15 2007
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-170004153.html

And, more importantly :

2. "Consortium eyes up golf land for homes", Crawley Observer, April 15 2009
http://www.crawleyobserver.co.uk/news/C ... 5171903.jp

And, less importantly (perhaps?) :

3. Gatwick City Forum
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=907&start=20
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=886&start=90


Also, don't forget the Consortium pulled out of the JAAP at the last moment, concerning West of Ifield (Wednesday afternoon, 21st January 2009). I was there, fully prepared to 'do battle'.

There is also an extremely strong rumour - not yet confirmed as fact - that HCA (as landowner of Ifield Brook Meadows & beyond) is formally part of the (masonic?) "landowner/developer" Welbeck Consortium.

That wouldn't surprise me at all !





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD AND BEYOND - RESPONSE TO QUANGO SIGNS - THIS FRIDAYPosted: 2009-07-26, 06:06:04 pm



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Posts: 4373 Here are a few suggestions as Guidelines for the Structure of the Meeting on Friday

1) To protest at Homes & Communities Agency bully-boy tactics of scare-mongering the public into keeping to registered footpaths, especially in the Ifield Village Conservation Area/Ifield Brook Meadows..

2) To raise public awareness of what could happen in the future within the Ifield community and beyond.

3) To advise people on how best to Keep the Public Ancient Footpaths Public i.e. registering all footpaths that are regularly walked daily.

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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD AND BEYOND - RESPONSE TO QUANGO SIGNS - THIS FRIDAYPosted: 2009-07-26, 06:19:38 pm



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Posts: 4373 Dear Richard

Thank you for the invitation to attend and speak at the meeting you have arranged this coming Friday evening at St Margaret's Church to discuss rights of way access on Homes & Communities Agency controlled land in Ifield.

Unfortunately I will be unable to join you as I will be away on holiday at that time, however, I would be grateful if you could express my deep concern at the Homes & Commmunities Agency apparently seeking to deny public access over paths crossing the areas they are responsible for.

With regards

Henry

Henry Smith, Leader of West Sussex County Council





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING REGARDING HCA SIGNSPosted: 2009-07-27, 11:27:33 pm



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Posts: 4373 I very much regret that I am unable to attend. I have a full day of engagements already in my diary in the constituency on Friday.

John Healey MP


Dear John Healey - Communities Minister,

May I formally invite you to a Meeting this Friday (31st) - "Ifield Brook Meadows & Beyond - Response To The Homes & Communities Signs".

This Meeting will take place at St Margaret's Church, Ifield Village, Crawley - at 7pm (to 9pm).

Would you be prepared to do a '5-Minute Presentation' ? I am also inviting Laura Moffatt (Crawley MP) & Henry Smith (WSCC Leader) to do the same, along with Philip Marsh (HCA) and Welbeck-De Walden - among others.

There will be Maps on display - and the Footpath Evidence Forms will be collected/distributed.

I look forward to hearing from you.


Yours sincerely.


Richard W. Symonds MCIPD
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 12:51:39 pm



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Posts: 4373 Dear Mr. Symonds



Thank you for your email



My colleague Richard Thomas is responsible for this project and I understand is in contact with you

Accordingly I will not be attending the meeting



Yours sincerely



Alistair Watson

Managing Director

alistair.watson@welbeckland.co.uk



Tel: 020 7529 3800




Welbeck Land Limited

13 Woodstock Street

London

W1C 2AG



http://www.welbeckland.co.uk




We have allocated a substantial proportion of our financial reserves to the promotion of Strategic Land and would be delighted to recognise introductions.











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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-21, 03:44:13 pm



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Posts: 4373 When they mention the 'consortium' they are talking about other landowners in the area west of Ifield Richard W, not HCA. The consortium consists of Welbeck Land, Rydon Homes, Wates Developments, and a few 'private' landowners along Rusper Road, some of whom have already submitted planning applications to HDC. HCA are not part of this consortium. The consortium has no interest in the Meadow.

Anon

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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-21, 03:45:14 pm



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Posts: 4373 I profoundly disagree with you, Anon.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-21, 05:52:42 pm



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Posts: 4373 Some of the communications you have copied to me make me very uneasy, especially the discussion website. There seems to be a lack of focus in the discussions. It seems to me that if we want to preserve Ifield, we need to start by defining our aims and objectives.

I would suggest that our principal aim is to preserve Ifield Meadows and the surrounding land as recreational open space.

That gives rise to 3 key objectives:
To prevent building on the land
To continue to have recreational access to the land
To have the land's recreational status recognised in the local plan
Objectives 2 & 3 are conditional on success in objective 1. I am a keen walker, but if we want to win the big fight we should focus on objective 1, not objective 2. Objective 3 is for the future when the dust has settled.

Taking objective 2 first, we must start by recognising that HCA has the power to limit access to public rights of way only. The problem is not them taking our rights away - we never had those rights in the first place. The problem is that they have changed the open access policy of their predecessors. We therefore need to engage them in a constructive dialogue about their policy, not our rights. We should start by getting them to admit that they have changed the policy and ask them why.

Turning to the really important objective 1, we need to understand the HCA's objectives. The HCA was set up with a big fanfare by the Government to get affordable housing built, and the bosses of HCA need to prove that they are earning their large salaries. If we just witter on about the rights of walkers, they will just see us a bunch of hysterical NIMBYs. If on the other hand we ensure that the London and Regional bosses of HCA understand the reasons why building on Ifield Meadows would be a daft idea, including the fact that it is a flood plain, we will bring them to the reality of their position, which is that they have inherited a lot of poor-quality land that will always be unsuitable for housing and there is not much they can do to change it.

Do you have a copy of the HCA's charter? It would be very useful to know what instructions the Government gave them when they were set up.

Peter





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34&rising Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-21, 09:39:48 pm



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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village Richard W. wrote:
I would suggest that our principal aim is to preserve Ifield Meadows and the surrounding land as recreational open space.
Peter
At Last! Some sanity.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-22, 10:47:57 pm



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Posts: 4373 Two questions were asked (by me) at CBC's Full Council Meeting (Public Questions) tonight :

1. Would this Council consider turning Ifield Brook Meadows into a Country Park & Visitor Centre - along the lines of HDC's Southwater Country Park & Visitor Centre ?

2. (a) Is the Homes & Communities Agency (HCA) part of the landowner/developer Consortium for the West of Ifield ?
2. (b) If so, is Ifield Brook Meadows threatened with development ?

In the absence of the Cabinet Member for Leisure & Cultural Services (Lenny Walker), the Cabinet Member for Planning & Development (Claire Denman) was asked to reply to both questions.

As far as I could hear (which was very little cos of this wretched deafness), Cllr Denman was sympathetic to Q.1, but didn't give a direct 'yes or no' answer to Q.2 (a & b)

Hopefully, the local media who were present - Crawley Times/Observer ( alex.christie-miller@sussexnewspapers.co.uk ) and/or Crawley News ( alex.morrison@essnmedia.co.uk ) - will report my questions, and the Cabinet Member's answers, more fully.





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34&rising Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-22, 11:03:19 pm



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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village I was under the impression this was supposed to be a FULL council meeting.

Can anything be read into the absence of Mr Walker, his registered interest as a freemason, and the 'alleged' masonic connections with Welbeck Land and the proposed developments west of Ifield?

Gauging the 'non-committal' response from councillor Denman, Ifield Brook Meadow will be developed.

Let's hope that the local journalists and editors are capable of some 'responsible' reporting here.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-23, 11:43:45 pm



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Posts: 4373 And here is Crawley Times (Friday July 24 2009)....





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-24, 11:34:25 am



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Posts: 4373 Zilch....except for my letter "Please come and make your views known", Crawley Times, July 24 - Page 10





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JohnL Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-25, 08:49:11 am



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Location: Ifield Richard W. wrote:
Some of the communications you have copied to me make me very uneasy, especially the discussion website. There seems to be a lack of focus in the discussions. It seems to me that if we want to preserve Ifield, we need to start by defining our aims and objectives.

I would suggest that our principal aim is to preserve Ifield Meadows and the surrounding land as recreational open space.

That gives rise to 3 key objectives:
To prevent building on the land
To continue to have recreational access to the land
To have the land's recreational status recognised in the local plan
Objectives 2 & 3 are conditional on success in objective 1. I am a keen walker, but if we want to win the big fight we should focus on objective 1, not objective 2. Objective 3 is for the future when the dust has settled.

Taking objective 2 first, we must start by recognising that HCA has the power to limit access to public rights of way only. The problem is not them taking our rights away - we never had those rights in the first place. The problem is that they have changed the open access policy of their predecessors. We therefore need to engage them in a constructive dialogue about their policy, not our rights. We should start by getting them to admit that they have changed the policy and ask them why.

Turning to the really important objective 1, we need to understand the HCA's objectives. The HCA was set up with a big fanfare by the Government to get affordable housing built, and the bosses of HCA need to prove that they are earning their large salaries. If we just witter on about the rights of walkers, they will just see us a bunch of hysterical NIMBYs. If on the other hand we ensure that the London and Regional bosses of HCA understand the reasons why building on Ifield Meadows would be a daft idea, including the fact that it is a flood plain, we will bring them to the reality of their position, which is that they have inherited a lot of poor-quality land that will always be unsuitable for housing and there is not much they can do to change it.

Do you have a copy of the HCA's charter? It would be very useful to know what instructions the Government gave them when they were set up.

Peter

Peter,

I am a newcomer to Ifield and have been following the discussions here over recent weeks, after joining one of Richard's 'Ramblettes'.

I am getting back into 'jogging', after a long break and was largely drawn to moving to Ifield as it was on the edge of open countryside (and has a very nice local pub ).

Having made several exploratory runs around Ifield Brook Meadows, I am keen to see what can be done to preserve the area as an open space. I think you are right in suggesting that our focus should be mainly on the unsuitability of building on a known flood plain.

Somebody on the Ramblette mentioned how Ifield Brook overflows in winter months. I notice that the gulley where the footbridge crosses the River Mole is also very deep.

Does anybody have any photogrphs of Ifield Brook or the local section of the River Mole in flood? This could be valuable evidence at any future Public Hearing.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES & COMMUNITIES AGENCY (HCA) & IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-13, 11:52:42 am



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Posts: 4373 Dear Mr. Symonds,

Further to your email of 09/07/2009, I have noted your concerns about the works carried out to maintain the public rights of way at Ifield.

Regarding the paths on the ground which are not recorded on the definitive map and statement for this area, I am aware that you are considering making an application, or applications, for a Definitive Map Modification Order (DMMO), to add the paths as footpaths/bridleways. As part of the consultation and investigation into such a claim, the County Council would look at the evidence provided by the users of the paths, giving them an opportunity to communicate their local knowledge about the existence, or former existence of gates/stiles/footbridges etc along the claimed routes. The evidence of use provided by the applicant in support of a claim must, of course, be considered against any evidence opposing the claim, but the fact that physical structures on the ground have been removed/destroyed alone would not be enough to defeat it.

I hope you find these comments useful when considering whether to make an application for a DMMO.

Yours sincerely

Alison Poole
Alison Poole | Rights of Way Officer, West Sussex County Council | Location: County Hall, Chichester, PO19 1RQ
Internal: 77196 | External: 01243 777196 | E-mail: alison.poole@westsussex.gov.uk





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES & COMMUNITIES AGENCY (HCA) & IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-16, 12:30:43 am



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Posts: 4373 I noticed this on BBC Ceefax this morning :

CEEFAX - 15 JULY 2009 - 7.55AM - "SOLDIERS SPEAK OUT ON GAZA - BREAKING THE SILENCE"

THE "PERMISSIVE" LAW OF WAR FOR ISRAELI SOLDIERS - "Fire on any building, or person, that seems suspicious"

In other words, they have the "permissive" power to do what they like - to whoever - with immunity and impunity.

How does that relate to the Government Quango - the HCA ?

Work it out for yourself.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES & COMMUNITIES AGENCY (HCA) & IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-17, 09:43:10 am



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Posts: 4373 http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/district ... 5469452.jp

Date: 17 July 2009

A NEW TOWN could be built in West Sussex to accommodate some of the thousands of new homes imposed on Horsham district by Government targets.
Horsham District Council this week discussed potential development sites across the district in a bid to find space to satisfy the allocation for thousands more homes.

The latest massive allocation of greenfield development announced by the Government in its South East Plan, in May, is on top of the 2,000 to be built between Horsham and Broadbridge Heath and the 2,500 planned for the west of Bewbush.

For the full story see Friday's (July 17) West Sussex County Times.

What do you think about the plans? Contact the newsdesk. Email ct.letters@sussexnewspapers.co.uk or call us on 01403 751248.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY v THE CONSORTIUM - THE IFIELD PARISH LAND WARPosted: 2009-07-18, 06:00:36 pm



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Posts: 4373 Ah, after reading the Crawley Times this week, the 'bigger picture' is emerging :

There is a "LANDOWNER/DEVELOPER CONSORTIUM" which seeks to develop "The West of Ifield" (ie Ifield Brook Meadows AND Ifield Golf Club...and surrounding area).

The "LANDOWNER" is the Government Quango Homes & Communities Agency (HCA). The DEVELOPER is Welbeck Land (De Walden).

So, I'm calling it "THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUM".

The Community now has a real fight - tantamount to a 'land war'. Being nice and concilatory will not work - they'll walk all over us - as they have done already.

Why do I know it's MASONIC ?

Because Welbeck Land has as its logo the Compass & Square - exactly like the Compass & Square on either side of The Masonic Temple (sorry, Hall) at the junction of Ifield Green & Rusper Road (the old St Margaret's Parish Hall donated by a couple in Old Park House, Bonnetts Lane - within the ancient Parish of Ifield).

Roll on Friday July 31 at 7pm !





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE IFIELD COMMUNITY V THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUMPosted: 2009-07-19, 08:14:47 am



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Posts: 4373 I’ve been out jogging quite a few times by Ifield Brook over the past weeks and have found two instances of registered footpaths, on Ordnance Survey maps, apparently being re-routed from their original courses.

This may be a legally acceptable practice to minimise wear and tear on a particular strip of soil, or it could be the result of walkers ignoring the official path and taking a short cut.

However, an original footpath across one of the contentious fields, leading from The Druids towards Ifield Brook, that has been ‘concealed’ by mowing, since the beginning of June, looks to me like it is being deliberately redirected several metres to one side, whereas before it was the shortest straight line route between the two gates.

Could it be that somebody has some provisional plans drawn up, on which the original footpath line was inconveniently located?

The aerial images on http://www.multimap.com are very useful when looking at this, as the four different ‘Birds Eye’ views of Ifield were taken at different times of the year, in 2007 and 2008.

John





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE IFIELD COMMUNITY V THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUMPosted: 2009-07-19, 08:20:37 am



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Posts: 4373 Looks like things are hotting up over West of Ifield, Richard W.

Who's the Ifield Golf Club Treasurer ?

Anon.





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34&rising Post subject: Re: THE IFIELD COMMUNITY V THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUMPosted: 2009-07-20, 09:07:03 pm



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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village Richard W. wrote:

Who's the Ifield Golf Club Treasurer ?
Anon.

That's a very good question Richard W.

According to files at the Land Registry, payments were/are paid to the Ifield Golf & Country Club in connection with rights associated with the land known as Ifield Brook Meadow.

Therefore, the Treasurer of Ifield Golf & Country Club will have a pretty good idea of what's going on with regard to any proposed development of the Golf Course and Ifield Brook Meadow.





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34&rising Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-20, 11:34:41 pm



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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village ... and so the question remains...

WHO is the Treasurer of Ifield Golf & Country Club ?

The people of Ifield await the answer :





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-21, 03:23:06 pm



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http://consult.horsham.gov.uk/portal/pl ... 67&do=view

Mrs Judith Smallman (ID: 58200) , Homes and Communities Agency (HCA)

Is your representation a Support for, or an Objection to, an Alternative Development Site?
Objection

Which part of the document does your Support or Objection relate to:
WoB ADS 7

Please state clearly the reasons you are objecting to or supporting an alternative development site or boundary change

EP (English Partnerships) seeks amendments to the boundary of WoB ADS7 as the site includes a parcel of land owned by EP. This should be omitted from WoB ADS 7 (a copy of a plan showing the physical extent of EP’s ownership to the west of Crawley is attached to the representation).

EP would like to clarify that it is not actively promoting its land at this stage.
However, EP has no objection to the allocation of its land for housing/mixed use development SHOULD the EiP Inspector determine that the JAAP is unsound, as currently drafted and wishes to implement changes to the document in order to make it sound based on a complementary/alternative allocation at West of Ifield.

(RWS NOTE - The EiP Inspector has declared the JAAP "sound")

Do you wish to be kept up to date with the progress of the document?
Yes

* Comment ID: WoBAlt53
* Response Date: 03/10/08 09:33
RWS NOTE : Note Response Date - 03.10/08. The Homes & Communities Agency (HCA) was formed 2 months later (Dec 2008). So, how is Mrs Smallman managing to write on behalf of HCA 2 months before HCA was established ?!


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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-21, 03:30:51 pm



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Posts: 4373 As I read the situation, Homes & Communities Agency (HCA) is part of the Welbeck Consortium...a kind of Public-Private Partnership (PPP)....or put it another way- "THE MASONIC CONSORTIUM"





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Richard W. Post subject: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-06-30, 11:37:16 pm



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Posts: 4373 http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sec ... 143825&c=0

HCA to offer contractors land for housing

30 June, 2009

By Michael Willoughby

Agency to tempt new building firms into housing market with land for equity deal

The Homes and Communities Agency has announced plan to give contractors the chance to build an initial 500 homes on public land in exchange for an equity share in any development.

The announcement comes as part of a £1.5bn tranche of funding for social housing announced yesterday as part of Gordon Brown’s policy re-launch, Building Britain’s Future.

Bob Kerslake, HCA chief executive, said contractors including Bouygues, Skanska and Wates could take part. He said: “The model is where we go in as an equity partner and put land in as part of the equity.” The land could be that owned by the HCA or owned by other public sector bodies.

“We are looking for a development partner to take a lower level of risk because they are not funding the land upfront but we want them to take a lower rate of return.

“A number have said in the current market: ‘we definitely settle for a situation with less working capital tied up and working in joint partnership with you, but have more security albeit at a lower rate of return.’”

Kerslake added: “You know the sorts of companies that I am talking about – the Bouygues, the Skanskas and the Wates.”

He added: “Public sector landowners of all kinds have expressed interest and the HCA has major land ownings of its own to contribute that will ensure we make rapid progress.”

The HCA will hold workshops with interested parties “this side of the summer,” said Kerslake.

The money, which includes £750m for the National Affordable Housing Programme, £500m more for Kickstart schemes and £250m more for new local authority-led council homes, is to come from a mix of redirected communities department funding and cash from “capital underspend” in other departments during this and next year.

Related articles
HCA may be lead developer, says Kerslake
HCA's £100m council home initiative attracts first bidders
Government pledges £1.5bn to affordable homes


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Richard W. Post subject: Re: HOMES AND COMMUNITIES AGENCY (IFIELD)Posted: 2009-07-01, 11:32:57 am



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Posts: 4373 As I read it at the moment, HCA are Government Developers (as opposed to Private Developers), which hands out Public Land to Private Developers - at a price.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: HOMES AND COMMUNITIES AGENCY (IFIELD)Posted: 2009-07-01, 04:33:41 pm



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Posts: 4373 CRAWLEY OBSERVER LETTER - TODAY - JULY 1 2009

http://www.crawleyobserver.co.uk/your-l ... 5414544.jp





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: HOMES AND COMMUNITIES AGENCY (IFIELD)Posted: 2009-07-09, 10:28:24 pm



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Posts: 4373 Dear All

I am forwarding this from Philip Marsh of the Homes and Communities Agency to Cllr Keith Blake (Borough for Gossops Green and County for Ifield & Gossops Green, and on the County Rights of Way Committee!) regarding the removal of a gate and its replacement by a fence at the rear of the Ifield Barn Car Park very recently.

Earlier today, I contacted Cllr Blake after talking to Mr Marsh about this (in response to an email from Linda Newman) and also pointed out various confusions eg that CBC's well publicised 'Greenway' south of the Church is not on the Public Right Of Way Map and nor are the network of footpaths regularly cut by CBC - the implication being that HCA would feel that we are not entitled to walk on them, and presumably that CBC should not be encouraging us to do so!

Geraint Thomas

PS Please feel free to forward this on
PPS Mr Marsh seems quite knowledgeable about the area and is approachable on the phone - his email address is immediately below:

From: Philip Marsh
To: keith.blake@westsussex.gov.uk

Dear Mr Blake,

Following a phone call received from Mr Geraint Thomas on your behalf regarding our signage at Ifield and asking why we have removed the swing gate located at the rear of Ifield Barn Theatre?, I thought it would be helpful if I responded to you direct.

The HCA inherited this land from the former English Partnerships on 1 April 2009 and it is our policy to sign the boundaries of HCA land holdings to make land ownership clear to our partners and local residents.

We are required also to make it clear that not withstanding any Public Rights of Way the land is owned by the Homes and Communities Agency. We can confirm also that public access is restricted to the public Rights of Way only crossing the land holding.

The reason for the removal of the swing gate from behind Ifield Barn Theatre is that the Public Right of Way is located the other side between the Theatre and the pond and the gated access at this point will remain in place.

Where Rights of Way exist HCA has undertaken improvement works and will continue to maintain these routes and in many areas the stiles have been replaced with gates in accordance with West Sussex County Councils' request and policy.

Regards

Philip Marsh
Assistant Land Manager - AMES
Milton Keynes
Tel. 01908 353624
Fax. 01908 353694
Mob. 07979 516444





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: HOMES AND COMMUNITIES AGENCY (IFIELD)Posted: 2009-07-09, 10:38:44 pm



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Posts: 4373 Richard W. wrote:
"It is our policy...to make land ownership clear...We are required also to make it clear that...the land is owned by the Homes and Communities Agency. We can confirm also that public access is restricted to the Public Rights of Way only...Where Rights of Way exist HCA...will continue to maintain these routes..."
Homes and Communities Agency


So however "approachable" HCA may be, they are not budging an inch from their official position - already made clear by the wording of their "Private Land" signs, littered about this ancient Parish.

As I read it, this newly-created Government Quango is clearly saying to us "the law" is what they decide, and can interpret that "law" as it chooses.

That, ladies & gentlemen, is TOTALITARIANISM - not Democracy...and the last I heard, we were aspiring to the latter - not the former.

"Don't let it happen. It depends on you" (the last-known words of George '1984' Orwell).

We, in this community, have a choice. We can either let them take control - especially the space between our ears. Or we can take control - especially the space between our ears...and fight them legally every which way.

Please email me at any time - with comments, ideas, suggestions, criticisms etc : richardsy5@aol.com

You can, of course, register on this Forum if you wish (but there has been a few problems with registration). If problems, please just email me.

Thanks

Richard Symonds
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES AND COMMUNITIES AGENCY (HCA) - IN IFIELD PARISHPosted: 2009-07-09, 11:47:05 pm



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 For those interested, my personal view is that Ifield Brook Meadows is NOT Private Land - it's Public Land (& maybe even parts being Common Land).

If this ancient area - with its 1000-year recorded history - is Public Land, then the HCA signs are legally illegitimate - and should be taken down with immediate effect.

Also, a powerful legal case could be made that the instruction to keep dogs on the lead, on "marked" (?) paths - especially in Ifield Brook Meadows - is totally "unreasonable". We might be required to obey "reasonable" instructions from those with power over us, but not instructions which are "unreasonable".

Also, HCA (& 'Partners') appear to be indulging in highly questionable activities at present - 'sprucing up' Registered WSCC Footpaths/Footbridges/Stiles, but 'destroying evidence' on Unregistered Footpaths, by dismantling Footbridges & Stiles - especially those made by the Horley & Crawley Project and Greenway.

The completion of these Forms - to register unregistered footpaths which have been used for centuries - therefore becomes the very highest priority in this community.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES AND COMMUNITIES AGENCY - IN IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-10, 10:46:33 am



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Dear Richard,

I assume you have read this quote on the H&CA website in relation to Crawley?

http://www.englishpartnerships.co.uk/crawley.htm

“English Partnerships is committed to the ongoing regeneration of Crawley and continues to work with Crawley Borough Council to identify opportunities for redevelopment and expansion.

The agency has other significant landholdings in the Crawley area, which includes the north-east sector, Ifield Court Farm and Rowley Farm. Two of these landholdings provide an opportunity for major residential development, which would benefit from the town centre expansion.”

I was apparently wrong in assuming they would not build houses in the area where BAA will offer to compensate home owners for ‘blight’, if the second runway goes ahead after 2019.

It now occurs to me that if all houses built within the potential 2019 airport noise zone are ‘social housing’ as opposed to freehold, perhaps it will be the freeholder, i.e. Homes and Communities Agency, who will be eligible for the compensation.

John





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES AND COMMUNITIES AGENCY - IN IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-10, 11:24:56 am



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 WHY DO I GET THIS FEELING THE COUNCILS' (WSCC/HDC/CBC) - UNDER THEIR FORTHCOMING CORE STRATEGY REVIEWS - WILL NOW DECLARE THEY ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP THE WHOLE OF "WEST OF IFIELD" (INCL. IFIELD GOLF CLUB/WELBECK & IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS/HCA) ?

AS PER WSCC LOCAL STRUCTURE PLAN 10 YEARS AGO - FUNNY THAT

PUBLIC CONSULTATIONS ?

YEAH, RIGHT.

MASONIC CONNECTIONS MORE LIKE.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES AND COMMUNITIES AGENCY - IN IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-10, 11:20:25 pm



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 I lost our rough collie, "Lucy", in Ifield Brook Meadows this evening. She bolted when loud bangs rang out - Shooting Clay-Pigeons ? Shooting Rabbits ? Automated Shooters - such as those used at Gatwick to clear birds from the runway ?

I don't know - but I'm going to find out.

I know our dog is not alone in totally 'losing it', when shots are heard - or fireworks explode. Last week she was literally 'climbing the walls' in our front room when some fireworks went off. She was shaking uncontrollably, absolutely petrified.

If I find this is another tactic to clear the area of dog-walkers, I will take whoever's responsible to court - whatever it takes.

We have spent the whole evening trying to find our dog. Lucy has just been returned home by some teenagers - she had a tag - who found her wandering aimlessly around.

I didn't ask where. We are just eternally thankful to the teenagers - and beyond delighted to have her back home safe.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES AND COMMUNITIES AGENCY - IN IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-11, 01:16:52 pm



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Oh dear, we had the 'ramblette' this morning - looking at the destruction of stiles/gates/bridges on unregistered paths - and someone has managed to uproot one of the HCA signs and dump it in the river.

Whilst I do not condone such action, I can understand the reasons why someone should take such action.

Anyway, a meeting has been organised on Friday July 31 at 7pm - outside the Plough. It will be an opportunity to bring along the WSCC Rights of Way "Evidence Forms' - among other things.





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