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IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"



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admin Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 08:04:48 pm



Joined: 2007-09-08, 05:18:52 pm
Posts: 65 A very warm welcome to you, Lindyloo.





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34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-28, 08:18:33 pm



Joined: 2007-09-11, 10:30:32 pm
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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village Lindyloo wrote:
Hi I have some photographs of Ifield during the floods which I took in 1997 which could prove the 'Consortium' that building on Ifield Meadows would be disasterous for the buyers. I will bring them down to the meeting on Friday 31st July.

The problem with focusing on the flood issue, is that it is simply an 'engineering' problem. That is to say, if a developer felt they could make money from building on the meadow, then they would find a way to overcome any problems associated with possible flooding.

If they can build a new neighbourhood on a contaminated, dangerous and unstable landfill site, then I'm sure a little matter of 'drainage' wouldn't be difficult to overcome!





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-29, 10:51:20 am



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 The meeting was also attended by Michael Hodgson (MH) who is a Conservative County Councillor and now Deputy Leader of WSCC (and so, apparently, 'above politics'!), who was reporting back on various issues and he gave the benefit of his wisdom on a couple of matters which I raised...
MH (who until recently was on the Rights of Way Committee) seemed more in sympathy with landowners than walkers when he opined that it was important for landowners to be prepared to prosecute walkers if they wandered away from public footpaths - otherwise walkers could attempt to persuade the Rights of Way Committee to legalise access after 20 years. I must say from his tone it didn't sound as if the Rights of Way Committee is likely to be sympathetic !!
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OK, so the WSCC Deputy Leader, Cllr Michael Hodgson, says this (above), and the WSCC Leader, Cllr Henry Smith, says this (below) ?

Ummmmmmmmm....





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD AND BEYOND - RESPONSE TO QUANGO SIGNS - THIS FRIDAYPosted: 2009-07-29, 10:57:19 pm



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 I would be grateful if you could express my deep concern at the Homes & Commmunities Agency apparently seeking to deny public access over paths crossing the areas they are responsible for.

Henry Smith, Leader of West Sussex County Council


May I suggest the WSCC Leader & Deputy Leader had a little chat together...and then it would be appreciated if they could notify their taxpaying 'bankrollers' (us) exactly where the WSCC stands on this issue.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-29, 11:28:42 pm



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Cllr Hodgson, WSCC Deputy Leader, is seriously misinformed on this issue - and should address his own arrogant ignorance of what democracy is all about, as soon as possible...for everybody's sake :

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=886&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=70
As I see it at the moment, there is a very simple way of immediately helping to protect this ancient area - and I encourage anyone who can do this to do it :
Phone the "Rights of Way" Dept at Chichester's County Hall (West Sussex County Council) - 01243 777579 - and say that people have been walking on this area for over 20 years - 50 years in some cases - and so you want any "unrecorded paths" legally recorded, under Section 53 of the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981.

Clearly Cllr Hodgson (former Rights of Way Committee Member) knows more about Stalkers & The Protection from Harassment Act 1997, than Walkers & The Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=622&start=20

May I also suggest he takes a visit to Ifield Brook Meadows (not on expenses) to see for himself what dangerous nonsense he has in his party-political head- especially as WSCC Deputy Leader.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-07-31, 11:22:53 pm



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 The outcome of tonight's meeting at St Margaret's is that people have voted to 'put things on hold', while negotiations with HCA are in hand. There will be another meeting called in the first two weeks of September to consider the HCA response and decide what the next step is.

In the meantime there will be an opportunity to collect in footpath forms and check them. Members of IVCAAC have volunteered to help with the checking. They will then be ready, if it is deemed prudent to go down that route.

I had a 'strong, long (but not nasty) discussion' with a couple on my way home - accusing me of scare-mongering (St Margaret's could become like Horsham's St Mark's), and rudeness (towards Cllr John Denman & others).

If I came across that way - it wasn't meant - just trying to wake people up & raise awareness of the development threat. Even so, if WSCC's Cllr Hodgson was present I might well have been very rude...

The outcome of the meeting was fine - but I am still left with an uneasy feeling we are under-estimating what we are up against. This 'Landowner/Developer Consortium' is extremely powerful, and we had them 'on the ropes', but I fear we may be 'letting them off the hook' by delaying certain actions...which might allow them to re-group, 'divide & rule' etc.

I was much encouraged by the numbers - far more than anticipated. Well over 50 people at a guess.

Can't see that number coming to the Ramblette tomorrow morning - but you never can tell !





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-08-01, 04:52:11 pm



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 The Ramblette took place this morning - numbers down to 7 of us - in contrast to the previous evening.

A few regulars were missing - let's hope they are OK.

Two 'camps' seem to be emerging :

Camp 1 - Those who are 100% CERTAIN Ifield Brook Meadows will NOT be built on...some of whom are very unhappy with certain people in Camp 2 for 'scaremongering' etc

Camp 2 - Those who are LESS THAN 100% certain....some of whom consider some of those in Camp 1 to be naively living in cloud cuckoo-land.

The majority appear to be in Camp 1

The minority appear to be in Camp 2.

I am firmly in Camp 2, especially when I strongly expressed a view at the meeting - on the basis of 10 years campaigning evidence - that Ifield Brook Meadows would definitely be developed, unless we ourselves (individually & collectively) did enough to prevent it from happening...and we couldn't rely on certain Councillors & an MP - alone - to prevent it from happening.

This has not made me very popular at all - especially with those in Camp 1 - who are accusing me of 'scaremongering' and being rude to certain Councillors & an MP.

My fear is that the 'controlling powers-that-be will attempt to regain full control by a tactic of 'divide & rule'.- such as setting one Camp against the other by rumour-spreading, character-slurs, false accusations, blame etc.

I would like to be in Camp 1 - but after 10 years campaigning on this issue - and finding myself extremely distrustful of the 'controlling powers-that-be' - I find myself in Camp 2.

The one thing these very powerful people fear most is that the opposition will grow into one collective powerful voice on a common platform.

I call it 'DEMOCRACY' which should be encouraged at all costs. 'They' would probably call it an "EXCESS OF DEMOCRACY" which should be controlled at all costs - or an 'EXCESS OF FREEDOM"....like an "EXCESS OF HAPPINESS"

Personally, I fear we are up against a 'Consortium of Bullies & Hangers-On' who are determined to get what they want, by any means at their disposal.





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34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-08-02, 10:46:42 am



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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village Richard W. wrote:
My fear is that the 'controlling powers-that-be will attempt to regain full control by a tactic of 'divide & rule'.- such as setting one Camp against the other by rumour-spreading, character-slurs, false accusations, blame etc.

You've left out the most powerful and dangerous weapons in their armoury Richard W., SECRECY and SILENCE, both of which it seems are now being used by HDC, CBC, the HCA and IVCAAC.





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JohnL Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-08-02, 05:06:49 pm



Joined: 2009-07-16, 04:28:46 pm
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Location: Ifield 34&rising wrote:
Richard W. wrote:
My fear is that the 'controlling powers-that-be will attempt to regain full control by a tactic of 'divide & rule'.- such as setting one Camp against the other by rumour-spreading, character-slurs, false accusations, blame etc.

You've left out the most powerful and dangerous weapons in their armoury Richard W., SECRECY and SILENCE, both of which it seems are now being used by HDC, CBC, the HCA and IVCAAC.

Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?

I was at the meeting on Friday evening and the committee members from IVCAAC who spoke gave out lots of new information that has not been reported here, regarding the environment agency bore holes, the proposed flood relief scheme and a summary of their meeting with the representative from HCA. They also handed out copies of their correspondence with the HCA and promised to keep everybody informed of any new developments.





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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS & BEYOND - MEETING & RAMBLETTE (31 & 1)Posted: 2009-08-02, 08:03:37 pm



Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Yes I agree with you, JohnL, IVCAAC should be subtracted. But I would add one 'big' one - Welbeck Land (who have the 'option' on Ifield Brook Meadows).

"The possible development of this area ("West of Ifield" - Ed) is being promoted by a consortium of landowners/developers" (Crawley Times, July 17 2009 - Page 8)

We know one of the main "developers" is Welbeck Land - THE main developer in fact.
http://www.welbeckland.co.uk/
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=906&start=10

But is HCA one of the main "landowners" in this Consortium ?

If somebody knows, they're not telling.

It's difficult not to draw that conclusion, as much of the area threatened is 'owned' by the 'Public Landowner' HCA (a Govt. Quango). We now know exactly how much land they 'own' (previously unknown), because that is conveniently 'pegged out' by their signs around Ifield Brook Meadows and the rest of the Parish towards Ifield Golf Club !

Methinks there will be much obfuscation, 'divide & rule', 'decoys', secrecy, silence - and disinformation/misinformation - from the 'controlling powers-that-be' - whom I suspect is this "consortium of landowners/developers" & their 'hangers-on'.


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