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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES & COMMUNITIES AGENCY (HCA) & IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-13, 11:52:42 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Dear Mr. Symonds,
Further to your email of 09/07/2009, I have noted your concerns about the works carried out to maintain the public rights of way at Ifield.
Regarding the paths on the ground which are not recorded on the definitive map and statement for this area, I am aware that you are considering making an application, or applications, for a Definitive Map Modification Order (DMMO), to add the paths as footpaths/bridleways. As part of the consultation and investigation into such a claim, the County Council would look at the evidence provided by the users of the paths, giving them an opportunity to communicate their local knowledge about the existence, or former existence of gates/stiles/footbridges etc along the claimed routes. The evidence of use provided by the applicant in support of a claim must, of course, be considered against any evidence opposing the claim, but the fact that physical structures on the ground have been removed/destroyed alone would not be enough to defeat it.
I hope you find these comments useful when considering whether to make an application for a DMMO.
Yours sincerely
Alison Poole
Alison Poole | Rights of Way Officer, West Sussex County Council | Location: County Hall, Chichester, PO19 1RQ
Internal: 77196 | External: 01243 777196 | E-mail: alison.poole@westsussex.gov.uk
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES & COMMUNITIES AGENCY (HCA) & IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-16, 12:30:43 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 I noticed this on BBC Ceefax this morning :
CEEFAX - 15 JULY 2009 - 7.55AM - "SOLDIERS SPEAK OUT ON GAZA - BREAKING THE SILENCE"
THE "PERMISSIVE" LAW OF WAR FOR ISRAELI SOLDIERS - "Fire on any building, or person, that seems suspicious"
In other words, they have the "permissive" power to do what they like - to whoever - with immunity and impunity.
How does that relate to the Government Quango - the HCA ?
Work it out for yourself.
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES & COMMUNITIES AGENCY (HCA) & IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-17, 09:43:10 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/district ... 5469452.jp
Date: 17 July 2009
A NEW TOWN could be built in West Sussex to accommodate some of the thousands of new homes imposed on Horsham district by Government targets.
Horsham District Council this week discussed potential development sites across the district in a bid to find space to satisfy the allocation for thousands more homes.
The latest massive allocation of greenfield development announced by the Government in its South East Plan, in May, is on top of the 2,000 to be built between Horsham and Broadbridge Heath and the 2,500 planned for the west of Bewbush.
For the full story see Friday's (July 17) West Sussex County Times.
What do you think about the plans? Contact the newsdesk. Email ct.letters@sussexnewspapers.co.uk or call us on 01403 751248.
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY v THE CONSORTIUM - THE IFIELD PARISH LAND WARPosted: 2009-07-18, 06:00:36 pm
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Ah, after reading the Crawley Times this week, the 'bigger picture' is emerging :
There is a "LANDOWNER/DEVELOPER CONSORTIUM" which seeks to develop "The West of Ifield" (ie Ifield Brook Meadows AND Ifield Golf Club...and surrounding area).
The "LANDOWNER" is the Government Quango Homes & Communities Agency (HCA). The DEVELOPER is Welbeck Land (De Walden).
So, I'm calling it "THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUM".
The Community now has a real fight - tantamount to a 'land war'. Being nice and concilatory will not work - they'll walk all over us - as they have done already.
Why do I know it's MASONIC ?
Because Welbeck Land has as its logo the Compass & Square - exactly like the Compass & Square on either side of The Masonic Temple (sorry, Hall) at the junction of Ifield Green & Rusper Road (the old St Margaret's Parish Hall donated by a couple in Old Park House, Bonnetts Lane - within the ancient Parish of Ifield).
Roll on Friday July 31 at 7pm !
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE IFIELD COMMUNITY V THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUMPosted: 2009-07-19, 08:14:47 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 I’ve been out jogging quite a few times by Ifield Brook over the past weeks and have found two instances of registered footpaths, on Ordnance Survey maps, apparently being re-routed from their original courses.
This may be a legally acceptable practice to minimise wear and tear on a particular strip of soil, or it could be the result of walkers ignoring the official path and taking a short cut.
However, an original footpath across one of the contentious fields, leading from The Druids towards Ifield Brook, that has been ‘concealed’ by mowing, since the beginning of June, looks to me like it is being deliberately redirected several metres to one side, whereas before it was the shortest straight line route between the two gates.
Could it be that somebody has some provisional plans drawn up, on which the original footpath line was inconveniently located?
The aerial images on http://www.multimap.com are very useful when looking at this, as the four different ‘Birds Eye’ views of Ifield were taken at different times of the year, in 2007 and 2008.
John
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE IFIELD COMMUNITY V THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUMPosted: 2009-07-19, 08:20:37 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Looks like things are hotting up over West of Ifield, Richard W.
Who's the Ifield Golf Club Treasurer ?
Anon.
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34&rising Post subject: Re: THE IFIELD COMMUNITY V THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUMPosted: 2009-07-20, 09:07:03 pm
Joined: 2007-09-11, 10:30:32 pm
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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village Richard W. wrote:
Who's the Ifield Golf Club Treasurer ?
Anon.
That's a very good question Richard W.
According to files at the Land Registry, payments were/are paid to the Ifield Golf & Country Club in connection with rights associated with the land known as Ifield Brook Meadow.
Therefore, the Treasurer of Ifield Golf & Country Club will have a pretty good idea of what's going on with regard to any proposed development of the Golf Course and Ifield Brook Meadow.
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34&rising Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-20, 11:34:41 pm
Joined: 2007-09-11, 10:30:32 pm
Posts: 554
Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village ... and so the question remains...
WHO is the Treasurer of Ifield Golf & Country Club ?
The people of Ifield await the answer :
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-21, 03:23:06 pm
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 viewtopic.php?f=7&t=886&p=6939&hilit=Judith+Smallman+HCA#p6939
http://consult.horsham.gov.uk/portal/pl ... 67&do=view
Mrs Judith Smallman (ID: 58200) , Homes and Communities Agency (HCA)
Is your representation a Support for, or an Objection to, an Alternative Development Site?
Objection
Which part of the document does your Support or Objection relate to:
WoB ADS 7
Please state clearly the reasons you are objecting to or supporting an alternative development site or boundary change
EP (English Partnerships) seeks amendments to the boundary of WoB ADS7 as the site includes a parcel of land owned by EP. This should be omitted from WoB ADS 7 (a copy of a plan showing the physical extent of EP’s ownership to the west of Crawley is attached to the representation).
EP would like to clarify that it is not actively promoting its land at this stage.
However, EP has no objection to the allocation of its land for housing/mixed use development SHOULD the EiP Inspector determine that the JAAP is unsound, as currently drafted and wishes to implement changes to the document in order to make it sound based on a complementary/alternative allocation at West of Ifield.
(RWS NOTE - The EiP Inspector has declared the JAAP "sound")
Do you wish to be kept up to date with the progress of the document?
Yes
* Comment ID: WoBAlt53
* Response Date: 03/10/08 09:33
RWS NOTE : Note Response Date - 03.10/08. The Homes & Communities Agency (HCA) was formed 2 months later (Dec 2008). So, how is Mrs Smallman managing to write on behalf of HCA 2 months before HCA was established ?!
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-21, 03:30:51 pm
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 As I read the situation, Homes & Communities Agency (HCA) is part of the Welbeck Consortium...a kind of Public-Private Partnership (PPP)....or put it another way- "THE MASONIC CONSORTIUM"
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES & COMMUNITIES AGENCY (HCA) & IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-13, 11:52:42 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Dear Mr. Symonds,
Further to your email of 09/07/2009, I have noted your concerns about the works carried out to maintain the public rights of way at Ifield.
Regarding the paths on the ground which are not recorded on the definitive map and statement for this area, I am aware that you are considering making an application, or applications, for a Definitive Map Modification Order (DMMO), to add the paths as footpaths/bridleways. As part of the consultation and investigation into such a claim, the County Council would look at the evidence provided by the users of the paths, giving them an opportunity to communicate their local knowledge about the existence, or former existence of gates/stiles/footbridges etc along the claimed routes. The evidence of use provided by the applicant in support of a claim must, of course, be considered against any evidence opposing the claim, but the fact that physical structures on the ground have been removed/destroyed alone would not be enough to defeat it.
I hope you find these comments useful when considering whether to make an application for a DMMO.
Yours sincerely
Alison Poole
Alison Poole | Rights of Way Officer, West Sussex County Council | Location: County Hall, Chichester, PO19 1RQ
Internal: 77196 | External: 01243 777196 | E-mail: alison.poole@westsussex.gov.uk
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES & COMMUNITIES AGENCY (HCA) & IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-16, 12:30:43 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 I noticed this on BBC Ceefax this morning :
CEEFAX - 15 JULY 2009 - 7.55AM - "SOLDIERS SPEAK OUT ON GAZA - BREAKING THE SILENCE"
THE "PERMISSIVE" LAW OF WAR FOR ISRAELI SOLDIERS - "Fire on any building, or person, that seems suspicious"
In other words, they have the "permissive" power to do what they like - to whoever - with immunity and impunity.
How does that relate to the Government Quango - the HCA ?
Work it out for yourself.
Top
Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE HOMES & COMMUNITIES AGENCY (HCA) & IFIELD BROOK MEADOWSPosted: 2009-07-17, 09:43:10 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 http://www.wscountytimes.co.uk/district ... 5469452.jp
Date: 17 July 2009
A NEW TOWN could be built in West Sussex to accommodate some of the thousands of new homes imposed on Horsham district by Government targets.
Horsham District Council this week discussed potential development sites across the district in a bid to find space to satisfy the allocation for thousands more homes.
The latest massive allocation of greenfield development announced by the Government in its South East Plan, in May, is on top of the 2,000 to be built between Horsham and Broadbridge Heath and the 2,500 planned for the west of Bewbush.
For the full story see Friday's (July 17) West Sussex County Times.
What do you think about the plans? Contact the newsdesk. Email ct.letters@sussexnewspapers.co.uk or call us on 01403 751248.
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY v THE CONSORTIUM - THE IFIELD PARISH LAND WARPosted: 2009-07-18, 06:00:36 pm
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Ah, after reading the Crawley Times this week, the 'bigger picture' is emerging :
There is a "LANDOWNER/DEVELOPER CONSORTIUM" which seeks to develop "The West of Ifield" (ie Ifield Brook Meadows AND Ifield Golf Club...and surrounding area).
The "LANDOWNER" is the Government Quango Homes & Communities Agency (HCA). The DEVELOPER is Welbeck Land (De Walden).
So, I'm calling it "THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUM".
The Community now has a real fight - tantamount to a 'land war'. Being nice and concilatory will not work - they'll walk all over us - as they have done already.
Why do I know it's MASONIC ?
Because Welbeck Land has as its logo the Compass & Square - exactly like the Compass & Square on either side of The Masonic Temple (sorry, Hall) at the junction of Ifield Green & Rusper Road (the old St Margaret's Parish Hall donated by a couple in Old Park House, Bonnetts Lane - within the ancient Parish of Ifield).
Roll on Friday July 31 at 7pm !
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE IFIELD COMMUNITY V THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUMPosted: 2009-07-19, 08:14:47 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 I’ve been out jogging quite a few times by Ifield Brook over the past weeks and have found two instances of registered footpaths, on Ordnance Survey maps, apparently being re-routed from their original courses.
This may be a legally acceptable practice to minimise wear and tear on a particular strip of soil, or it could be the result of walkers ignoring the official path and taking a short cut.
However, an original footpath across one of the contentious fields, leading from The Druids towards Ifield Brook, that has been ‘concealed’ by mowing, since the beginning of June, looks to me like it is being deliberately redirected several metres to one side, whereas before it was the shortest straight line route between the two gates.
Could it be that somebody has some provisional plans drawn up, on which the original footpath line was inconveniently located?
The aerial images on http://www.multimap.com are very useful when looking at this, as the four different ‘Birds Eye’ views of Ifield were taken at different times of the year, in 2007 and 2008.
John
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE IFIELD COMMUNITY V THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUMPosted: 2009-07-19, 08:20:37 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Looks like things are hotting up over West of Ifield, Richard W.
Who's the Ifield Golf Club Treasurer ?
Anon.
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34&rising Post subject: Re: THE IFIELD COMMUNITY V THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE MASONIC CONSORTIUMPosted: 2009-07-20, 09:07:03 pm
Joined: 2007-09-11, 10:30:32 pm
Posts: 554
Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village Richard W. wrote:
Who's the Ifield Golf Club Treasurer ?
Anon.
That's a very good question Richard W.
According to files at the Land Registry, payments were/are paid to the Ifield Golf & Country Club in connection with rights associated with the land known as Ifield Brook Meadow.
Therefore, the Treasurer of Ifield Golf & Country Club will have a pretty good idea of what's going on with regard to any proposed development of the Golf Course and Ifield Brook Meadow.
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34&rising Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-20, 11:34:41 pm
Joined: 2007-09-11, 10:30:32 pm
Posts: 554
Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village ... and so the question remains...
WHO is the Treasurer of Ifield Golf & Country Club ?
The people of Ifield await the answer :
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-21, 03:23:06 pm
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 viewtopic.php?f=7&t=886&p=6939&hilit=Judith+Smallman+HCA#p6939
http://consult.horsham.gov.uk/portal/pl ... 67&do=view
Mrs Judith Smallman (ID: 58200) , Homes and Communities Agency (HCA)
Is your representation a Support for, or an Objection to, an Alternative Development Site?
Objection
Which part of the document does your Support or Objection relate to:
WoB ADS 7
Please state clearly the reasons you are objecting to or supporting an alternative development site or boundary change
EP (English Partnerships) seeks amendments to the boundary of WoB ADS7 as the site includes a parcel of land owned by EP. This should be omitted from WoB ADS 7 (a copy of a plan showing the physical extent of EP’s ownership to the west of Crawley is attached to the representation).
EP would like to clarify that it is not actively promoting its land at this stage.
However, EP has no objection to the allocation of its land for housing/mixed use development SHOULD the EiP Inspector determine that the JAAP is unsound, as currently drafted and wishes to implement changes to the document in order to make it sound based on a complementary/alternative allocation at West of Ifield.
(RWS NOTE - The EiP Inspector has declared the JAAP "sound")
Do you wish to be kept up to date with the progress of the document?
Yes
* Comment ID: WoBAlt53
* Response Date: 03/10/08 09:33
RWS NOTE : Note Response Date - 03.10/08. The Homes & Communities Agency (HCA) was formed 2 months later (Dec 2008). So, how is Mrs Smallman managing to write on behalf of HCA 2 months before HCA was established ?!
Last edited by Richard W. on 2009-07-21, 03:31:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: THE COMMUNITY V THE CONSORTIUM - MEETING FRIDAY JULY 31 AT 7Posted: 2009-07-21, 03:30:51 pm
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 As I read the situation, Homes & Communities Agency (HCA) is part of the Welbeck Consortium...a kind of Public-Private Partnership (PPP)....or put it another way- "THE MASONIC CONSORTIUM"
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