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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-02, 10:12:31 pm
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Can't resist quoting this (found whilst preparing for my 5-minute stint last Saturday :
"The development should protect and, where possible, enhance the setting of Ifield Village Conservation Area, and avoid areas of flood risk and aircraft noise contours..."
(Source : Horsham District Local Development Framework Submission Draft (undated) - The Core Strategy - Chapter 4 : Spatial Strategy and Core Policies - Policy CP 6 - Strategic Location - West of Crawley - Page 59 & 60)
Quite how or why Horsham District Council are making pronouncements on land - Ifield Brook Meadows/Conservation Area - which is that of Crawley Borough Council, I don't quite understand....but it goes to show that "West of Crawley" includes Ifield Brook Meadows, from the Councils' point of view (ie WSCC/HDC/CBC)
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34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-02, 11:42:52 pm
Joined: 2007-09-11, 10:30:32 pm
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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village JohnL wrote:
Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?
I was at the meeting on Friday evening and the committee members from IVCAAC who spoke gave out lots of new information that has not been reported here, regarding the environment agency bore holes, the proposed flood relief scheme and a summary of their meeting with the representative from HCA. They also handed out copies of their correspondence with the HCA and promised to keep everybody informed of any new developments.
Perhaps it would be a good idea if that 'new information' was posted on this forum so that those who were/are unable to attend such meetings could be kept informed.
I would be particularly interested in any proposed flood relief schemes which relate to the Meadow.
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34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-03, 09:40:28 am
Joined: 2007-09-11, 10:30:32 pm
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Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village JohnL wrote:
:ugeek: You've left out the most powerful and dangerous weapons in their armoury Richard W., SECRECY and SILENCE, both of which it seems are now being used by HDC, CBC, the HCA and IVCAAC.
JohnL wrote:
Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?
To avoid any accusations of 'secrecy', Could someone please inform the forum of the following:
1) Who and What is the Ifield Village Conservation Area Advisory Committee (IVCAAC) ?
2) Who are the committee members of this organisation?
3) What are their aims and constitution?
4) How are they funded?
5) Who do they report to?
6) Under what authority do they act?
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JohnL Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-03, 11:24:02 am
Joined: 2009-07-16, 04:28:46 pm
Posts: 12
Location: Ifield 34&rising wrote:
JohnL wrote:
:ugeek: You've left out the most powerful and dangerous weapons in their armoury Richard W., SECRECY and SILENCE, both of which it seems are now being used by HDC, CBC, the HCA and IVCAAC.
JohnL wrote:
Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?
To avoid any accusations of 'secrecy', Could someone please inform the forum of the following:
1) Who and What is the Ifield Village Conservation Area Advisory Committee (IVCAAC) ?
2) Who are the committee members of this organisation?
3) What are their aims and constitution?
4) How are they funded?
5) Who do they report to?
6) Under what authority do they act?
As I say, I'm a newcomer, but I found this statement from IVCAAC, by running a web search
http://www.crawley.gov.uk/stellent/groups/public/documents/otherdocs/int106912.pdf
Jenny Frost, IVCAAC's secretary, chaired Friday's meeting and seemed very pleasant and approachable when I spoke to her afterwards. I am sure Richard has her contact details, if you want to send her your questions directly
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-03, 11:38:59 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Done - thanks JohnL
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admin Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-05, 08:42:45 am
Joined: 2007-09-08, 05:18:52 pm
Posts: 65 Richard W. has again asked us to post a comment of his - as he is unable to post in particular "categories" - such as this one. We are happy to do this - and if anyone else is experiencing the same kind of problems, we would be happy to post any comment by them also.
IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND BEYOND - BELIEF
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=930&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=952
NO news coverage of last Friday's full Meeting at St Margaret's Church - either by Crawley Observer or Crawley News ((Wednesday August 5)
This is beyond belief - laughable as well as disturbing - it's as though this critically-important event never happened.
There seems to be no better example of Herman & Chomsky's Five-Filter Propaganda Model in practice :
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=145&start=0
To my mind, it's not the editors or reporters who are at fault here.
It's the people who CONTROL news & information - what is admitted & what is omitted -who are the greatest threats to truth-seeking & our democratic freedoms.
It's as though a 'propaganda veil' gets pulled over our eyes, to blind us to the truth of what is really going on.
I am reminded of the words of John Milton in 1642 :
"THEY WHO HAVE PUT OUT THE PEOPLES EYES
REPROACH THM OF THEIR BLINDNESS"
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admin Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-05, 11:28:08 pm
Joined: 2007-09-08, 05:18:52 pm
Posts: 65 Richard W. has again asked us to post this - an email he has received from "K" :
Richard
I don't have all the answers but a bit of info I do know.
The Environment Agency (EA) need/want to help reduce long-term flood risk for Gatwick and upper Mole valley.
They will be going ahead with a scheme to temp drain Tilgate lake and increase the height of the dam (soil not concrete)
The core of the dam needs to be impervious clay, the soil around Tilgate is not suitable for this
They are investigating trucking clay in, maybe from Ifield area.
The EA maybe making a new flood pond on Ifield Brook too.
K
Thanks for that
If the Ifield pond is constructed by EA, would this have the affect of 'deleting' the Flood Plain in Ifield Brook Meadows - thus opening it up for development ?
Richard
I would say potentially yes
Down stream of any flood pond with a restricted outflow would be much less liable to flooding, so this should be of concern to us!
Here is a pdf of the draft Tilgate plans
K
So, do we now have 7 major players in relation to Ifield Brook Meadows & Beyond ?
1. Homes & Communities Agency (formerly English Partnerships)(Government Quango)
2. Welbeck-DeWalden Consortium (which includes Welbeck Land, Waites, Rydon, Persimmon(?)
3. Ifield Golf Club
4. Local Councils' (WSCC/HDC/CBC)
5. Government Environment Agency (& Thames Water/MacQuarie ?)
6. Corporate/State Media (eg Crawley Observer/Times/News & BBC, Local Radio & TV)
AND
7(a). The 'Aware &/or Care Community (b) The 'Unaware &/or Don't Care' Community
As I see it, at the moment, the only people who appear to be openly (& actively) supporting the protection of Ifield Brook Meadows is a handful of Local Councillors (CBC & WSCC), certain members of IVCAAC, The Ifield Society - and, of course, those individuals who have completed (are completing) the Public Way Evidence Forms.
That ain't enough to protect Ifield Brook Meadows & Beyond, methinks.
R
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Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-02, 10:12:31 pm
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Can't resist quoting this (found whilst preparing for my 5-minute stint last Saturday :
"The development should protect and, where possible, enhance the setting of Ifield Village Conservation Area, and avoid areas of flood risk and aircraft noise contours..."
(Source : Horsham District Local Development Framework Submission Draft (undated) - The Core Strategy - Chapter 4 : Spatial Strategy and Core Policies - Policy CP 6 - Strategic Location - West of Crawley - Page 59 & 60)
Quite how or why Horsham District Council are making pronouncements on land - Ifield Brook Meadows/Conservation Area - which is that of Crawley Borough Council, I don't quite understand....but it goes to show that "West of Crawley" includes Ifield Brook Meadows, from the Councils' point of view (ie WSCC/HDC/CBC)
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34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-02, 11:42:52 pm
Joined: 2007-09-11, 10:30:32 pm
Posts: 554
Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village JohnL wrote:
Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?
I was at the meeting on Friday evening and the committee members from IVCAAC who spoke gave out lots of new information that has not been reported here, regarding the environment agency bore holes, the proposed flood relief scheme and a summary of their meeting with the representative from HCA. They also handed out copies of their correspondence with the HCA and promised to keep everybody informed of any new developments.
Perhaps it would be a good idea if that 'new information' was posted on this forum so that those who were/are unable to attend such meetings could be kept informed.
I would be particularly interested in any proposed flood relief schemes which relate to the Meadow.
Top
34&rising Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-03, 09:40:28 am
Joined: 2007-09-11, 10:30:32 pm
Posts: 554
Location: The Parish of Bewbush Contaminated Dump Village JohnL wrote:
:ugeek: You've left out the most powerful and dangerous weapons in their armoury Richard W., SECRECY and SILENCE, both of which it seems are now being used by HDC, CBC, the HCA and IVCAAC.
JohnL wrote:
Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?
To avoid any accusations of 'secrecy', Could someone please inform the forum of the following:
1) Who and What is the Ifield Village Conservation Area Advisory Committee (IVCAAC) ?
2) Who are the committee members of this organisation?
3) What are their aims and constitution?
4) How are they funded?
5) Who do they report to?
6) Under what authority do they act?
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JohnL Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-03, 11:24:02 am
Joined: 2009-07-16, 04:28:46 pm
Posts: 12
Location: Ifield 34&rising wrote:
JohnL wrote:
:ugeek: You've left out the most powerful and dangerous weapons in their armoury Richard W., SECRECY and SILENCE, both of which it seems are now being used by HDC, CBC, the HCA and IVCAAC.
JohnL wrote:
Why are you including IVCAAC in this group 34&rising?
To avoid any accusations of 'secrecy', Could someone please inform the forum of the following:
1) Who and What is the Ifield Village Conservation Area Advisory Committee (IVCAAC) ?
2) Who are the committee members of this organisation?
3) What are their aims and constitution?
4) How are they funded?
5) Who do they report to?
6) Under what authority do they act?
As I say, I'm a newcomer, but I found this statement from IVCAAC, by running a web search
http://www.crawley.gov.uk/stellent/groups/public/documents/otherdocs/int106912.pdf
Jenny Frost, IVCAAC's secretary, chaired Friday's meeting and seemed very pleasant and approachable when I spoke to her afterwards. I am sure Richard has her contact details, if you want to send her your questions directly
Top
Richard W. Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-03, 11:38:59 am
Joined: 2007-10-31, 11:00:34 am
Posts: 4373 Done - thanks JohnL
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admin Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-05, 08:42:45 am
Joined: 2007-09-08, 05:18:52 pm
Posts: 65 Richard W. has again asked us to post a comment of his - as he is unable to post in particular "categories" - such as this one. We are happy to do this - and if anyone else is experiencing the same kind of problems, we would be happy to post any comment by them also.
IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND BEYOND - BELIEF
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=930&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=952
NO news coverage of last Friday's full Meeting at St Margaret's Church - either by Crawley Observer or Crawley News ((Wednesday August 5)
This is beyond belief - laughable as well as disturbing - it's as though this critically-important event never happened.
There seems to be no better example of Herman & Chomsky's Five-Filter Propaganda Model in practice :
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=145&start=0
To my mind, it's not the editors or reporters who are at fault here.
It's the people who CONTROL news & information - what is admitted & what is omitted -who are the greatest threats to truth-seeking & our democratic freedoms.
It's as though a 'propaganda veil' gets pulled over our eyes, to blind us to the truth of what is really going on.
I am reminded of the words of John Milton in 1642 :
"THEY WHO HAVE PUT OUT THE PEOPLES EYES
REPROACH THM OF THEIR BLINDNESS"
Top
admin Post subject: Re: IFIELD BROOK MEADOWS AND "THE SPIRIT OF KINDER SCOUT"Posted: 2009-08-05, 11:28:08 pm
Joined: 2007-09-08, 05:18:52 pm
Posts: 65 Richard W. has again asked us to post this - an email he has received from "K" :
Richard
I don't have all the answers but a bit of info I do know.
The Environment Agency (EA) need/want to help reduce long-term flood risk for Gatwick and upper Mole valley.
They will be going ahead with a scheme to temp drain Tilgate lake and increase the height of the dam (soil not concrete)
The core of the dam needs to be impervious clay, the soil around Tilgate is not suitable for this
They are investigating trucking clay in, maybe from Ifield area.
The EA maybe making a new flood pond on Ifield Brook too.
K
Thanks for that
If the Ifield pond is constructed by EA, would this have the affect of 'deleting' the Flood Plain in Ifield Brook Meadows - thus opening it up for development ?
Richard
I would say potentially yes
Down stream of any flood pond with a restricted outflow would be much less liable to flooding, so this should be of concern to us!
Here is a pdf of the draft Tilgate plans
K
So, do we now have 7 major players in relation to Ifield Brook Meadows & Beyond ?
1. Homes & Communities Agency (formerly English Partnerships)(Government Quango)
2. Welbeck-DeWalden Consortium (which includes Welbeck Land, Waites, Rydon, Persimmon(?)
3. Ifield Golf Club
4. Local Councils' (WSCC/HDC/CBC)
5. Government Environment Agency (& Thames Water/MacQuarie ?)
6. Corporate/State Media (eg Crawley Observer/Times/News & BBC, Local Radio & TV)
AND
7(a). The 'Aware &/or Care Community (b) The 'Unaware &/or Don't Care' Community
As I see it, at the moment, the only people who appear to be openly (& actively) supporting the protection of Ifield Brook Meadows is a handful of Local Councillors (CBC & WSCC), certain members of IVCAAC, The Ifield Society - and, of course, those individuals who have completed (are completing) the Public Way Evidence Forms.
That ain't enough to protect Ifield Brook Meadows & Beyond, methinks.
R
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